yep, hands up,I got took in by the spin,
Its clear it was`a gaffe stupid but not malicious.
You have to admire the republican spin machine though, wow that was some quick work
"If you make the most of it and you study hard and you do your homework and you make an effort to be smart, you -- you can do well. If you don't, you get <font color="red">us</font> stuck in Iraq. <font color="red">Just ask George Bush</font>."
A botched joke. He dropped one word in plus a tag line (see red above). Kerry has apologized twice for unintentionally insulting the troops. Should have done it sooner. No need to apologize for slamming the Bush administration, but now he needs to STFU. Amazing how folks think a botched joke is more important than a botched war that has been prosecuted in an abysmally incompetent manner.
<font color="#a62a2a" size="1">[ November 02, 2006 11:34 PM: Message edited by: LanDroid ]</font>
yep, hands up,I got took in by the spin,
Its clear it was`a gaffe stupid but not malicious.
You have to admire the republican spin machine though, wow that was some quick work
No it's not clear. If this was just a botched joke then let's see the original hardcopy of his speech. Which of course has gone missing.
I can take something you say, add a few well placed words and change the meaning. Find the original video, watch and listen to kerry. Then do a few simple searches and find the many other times he has said similar things and you will see that he meant what he said.
You are caught in the spin all right, but it?s the liberal spin.
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">After graduating from Phillips Academy in June 1942, George Bush joined the U.S. Navy on his 18th birthday to become an aviator. After completing the 10-month course, he was commissioned as an ensign in the U.S. Naval Reserve at Corpus Christi, Texas on June 9, 1943, just three days before his 19th birthday, which made him the youngest naval aviator to that date.Originally posted by The Big Sexy:
There will NEVER be someone in the Bush family put in harms way.
After finishing flight training, he was assigned to Torpedo Squadron (VT-51) as photographic officer in September 1943. As part of Air Group 51, his squadron was based on USS San Jacinto in the spring of 1944. San Jacinto was part of Task Force 58 that participated in operations against Marcus and Wake Islands in May, and then in the Marianas during June. On June 19, the task force triumphed in one of the largest air battles of the war. On his return from the mission, Bush's aircraft made a forced water landing. A submarine rescued the young pilot, although the plane was lost as well as the life of his navigator. On July 25, Bush and another pilot received credit for sinking a small cargo ship off Palau.
George H. W. Bush flying TBM Avenger off the carrier USS San Jacinto in 1944 After Bush's promotion to Lieutenant Junior Grade on August 1, San Jacinto commenced operations against the Japanese in the Bonin Islands. On September 2, 1944, Bush piloted one of four Grumman TBM Avenger aircraft from VT-51 that attacked the Japanese installations on Chichi Jima. For this mission his crew included Radioman Second Class John Delaney and Lieutenant Junior Grade William White, who substituted for Bush's regular gunner. During their attack, four TBM Avengers from VT-51 encountered intense antiaircraft fire. While starting the attack, Bush's aircraft was hit and his engine caught on fire. Despite the fact that his plane was on fire, he completed his attack and released the bombs over his target, scoring several damaging hits. With his engine on fire, Bush flew several miles from the island, where he and one other crew member on the TBM Avenger bailed out of the aircraft. However, the other man's parachute did not open, and he fell to his death. It was never determined which man bailed out with Bush. Both Delaney and White were killed in action. While Bush waited four hours in his inflated raft, several fighters circled protectively overhead until he was rescued by the lifeguard submarine USS Finback. For this action Bush received the Distinguished Flying Cross. During the month he remained on the USS Finback, Bush participated in the rescue of other pilots.
Bush subsequently returned to San Jacinto in November 1944 and participated in operations in the Philippines. When San Jacinto returned to Guam, the squadron, which had suffered 50 percent casualties of its pilots, was replaced and sent to the United States. Through 1944, he had flown 58 combat missions for which he received the Distinguished Flying Cross, three Air Medals, and the Presidential Unit Citation awarded aboard the San Jacinto.
Because of his valuable combat experience, Bush was reassigned to Norfolk Navy Base and put in a training wing for new torpedo pilots. He was later assigned as a naval aviator in a new torpedo squadron, VT-153. With the surrender of Japan, he was honorably discharged in September 1945 and then entered Yale University.
<font color="#a62a2a" size="1">[ November 03, 2006 06:50 AM: Message edited by: travelinman ]</font>
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Thats a fair comment, but I do find it hard to believe that someone who is ex service, and stood for the presidency would come out and intensionally insult members of the armed forces, especially on election eve.Originally posted by travelinman:
No it's not clear. If this was just a botched joke then let's see the original hardcopy of his speech. Which of course has gone missing.
I can take something you say, add a few well placed words and change the meaning. Find the original video, watch and listen to kerry. Then do a few simple searches and find the many other times he has said similar things and you will see that he meant what he said.
You are caught in the spin all right, but it?s the liberal spin.
And the foot in mouth award goes to....
John Kerry! [img]graemlins/party.gif[/img]
Congrats, you win a years supply of campaign repelant which will be used by all Dems as you approach
Shame on Him
John Kerry picked the wrong people to insult.
BY RONALD R. GRIFFIN
Friday, November 3, 2006 12:01 a.m. EST
I missed the joke. You must forgive me, for there just is not a lot of room in my life for even good jokes--and there is absolutely no room for "botched jokes"--when the subject of the joke is my son who was killed in Iraq. I know exactly what came out of Sen. John Kerry's mouth, and in those words there is no interpretation required. His attempt to convince us--and, I believe, to convince himself that that there was really a botched joke buried deep within his insult is in fact a reaffirmation of his ever-present condescending nature. He actually believes that we are stupid enough to agree with him and start laughing simply because he said it was a joke. Mr. Kerry said exactly what he meant and meant exactly what he said. In those words Mr. Kerry did in fact wash completely away the facade of his support of our magnificent troops and revealed for all to see his true colors.
All one had to do is look into the face of Mr. Kerry as the last word came out of his mouth, and it was painfully obvious that he knew that he had just disparaged the entire military. As the firestorm grew, the calls for an apology filled me with unease. It is not up to him to determine if an apology is in order. That decision most certainly rests with the millions of individuals he offended, and then they would decide if they were going to accept one or not.
As Sen. Kerry began his soon-to-be-reversed "I apologize to no one" rebuttal to a call for an apology, I was driving by the memorial built in honor of Kyle, my son, and the other fallen heroes from my town. As I listened, I tried unsuccessfully to make sense of the meteor shower of thoughts that were streaking through my mind. Then came one remembrance that brought all those other thoughts to an instantaneous halt. Last year I had written an editorial and I received a number of written replies. Among those was one postmarked from San Diego addressed simply to "the father of a hero" and my town of Emerson, N.J.
It started off friendly enough then quickly became argumentative and before the first paragraph was completed this individual had written, "I am glad that your son got killed for he probably was an idiot just like you". My first reaction, and really the only reaction I have ever had, was sadness for an individual who is so consumed with anger that he felt it necessary to lash out at me for my beliefs.
That is exactly how I feel about John Kerry. His anger was in full bloom as he tried desperately to control the damage that his words had caused. He knew full well that he could not defend his remarks, so he attacked President Bush. In doing so he reinforced his now fully revealed condescending attitude towards our troops. He talked over them, as he always does, never even beginning to understand that there might be individuals who were truly and deeply offended by his remarks. The explanation for that is quite simple: He firmly and deeply believes that anyone who would be so stupid as to join the military is beneath the high moral perch on which he thinks he sits.
Even in his so-called apology the next day, Mr. Kerry could not bring himself to admit that he had made a mistake. It was not his fault that I might be offended; it is my fault because I "misinterpreted" what he said.
Over these past 3 1/2 years, whenever I have been asked to be interviewed or speak at a function, I purposely do not write anything down. I do not want my emotions to be confined by the words that I have practiced; rather, I want to share with the people I am speaking with the full range of emotions that I live with each day in order that they might understand me in human terms. On the day that he aggrieved so many individuals by his words, that is what Sen. Kerry was doing. He dropped the pretense and revealed to the world what was in is heart, to his never-ending detriment.
Anyone who has spent any amount of time with our troops comes away with a sense of awe, attributable not just to their bravery and valor but to their intelligence and character. In one of the many conversations I had with Kyle, I reminded him that as he moved up the ladder in the military, he would have to be ever mindful that the caliber of the individual got better and better and that he would have to work harder and harder. Kyle did not want to go to college; he wanted to be a soldier. He joined and only had one demand and that was to be Infantry. He was airborne qualified and had orders to go to Ranger school, but the war in Iraq came first. I can still recall to this day the astonishment in his voice when he told me of his passing of the 82nd Airborne Pre-Ranger course and the incredible individuals he graduated with. Only four in 10 did so. Little did I know at the time that he was voted by those other graduates as Best Ranger.
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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">What a load of crap.Originally posted by The Big Sexy:
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Gunslinger:
"You know, education, if you make the most of it, you study hard, you do your homework and you make an effort to be smart, you can do well. If you don't, you get stuck in Iraq."
- John Kerry 10/30/06
What an absolutely disgraceful thing to say about the people who defend his rights on a daily basis. One can only assume that he finally has shown his true feelings in regards to the military. It's nice to know that one of the leaders of our nation feels that everyone who is (or was) in the military are a bunch of uneducated dolts who are incapable of being smart.
Then to make matters even better (or is it worse I'm not sure since I am so stupid), instead of apologizing he gets all beligerent and starts attacking the Republicans and says that anyone who thinks he is critisizing the troops is crazy.
"If anyone thinks a veteran would criticize the more than 140,000 heroes serving in Iraq -- and not the president who got us stuck there -- they're crazy,"
- John Kerry 10/31/06
It's nice to be considered crazy and stupid (or is it uneducated) by someone who has had everything handed to him his whole life. You know, not everyone can have rich parents who pay to send you to an Ivy League school and then marry into even more money. Some of us actually have to work for a living and we chose a job field that included us fighting (and sometimes dying) so he can have the right to sound like an elitist snob who doesn't give a crap about the "little guy".
I am also going to assume that since he is "one of the voices" of the Democratic party and since no one in the Democratic leadership has stepped up to condemn his statements, one can only conclude that this how the Democratic party feels about the men and women who put their lives on the line day in and day out.
You would think that the other leaders in the Democratic Party would pull him aside and make him apologize for his "botched joke", but, once again, the Dems are showing their complete and utter distain for the men and women who are on the front lines in the battle of freedom.
But, then again what do I know. I'm just uneducated and lazy. John Kerry said so.
<font color="#a62a2a"><font size="1">[ November 01, 2006 02:06 PM: Message edited by: Gunslinger ]</font></font>
Our president was home snorting cocaine going awol while Kerry was on the swift boat. Our president wouldn't know what a swiftboat was if it were floating in his swimming pool. Our president hasn't been within 5,000 miles of a piece of schrapnel
gunslinger, what you wrote was one of worst fucking pieces of shit I've ever seen.
There will NEVER be someone in the Bush family put in harms way. But you can be assured there will be Bush's lieing to needlessly send our brave troops off to their deaths. 3,000 at last count.
I'd say 3,000 deaths due to a liar is a LOT fucking worse than a stupid joke. I'd say changing your reason for a botched war is SO much more insulting to our troops than a botched joke. I'd say staying the course with a botched war plan is worse than a botched joke.
I think your sense of proportion is insulting.
Yeah, that last time I checked, the Bush family is one of the the most elite northeastern Ivy League families. W could never have gotten into Harvard and Yale without his family ties.
Your post was amazing. Just amazing.</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Ok, dimbulb, how in the hell did you get all of that out of my being angry at Kerry for calling me and my borthers-in-arms stupid? Oh, that's right, you're as much of a narrow minded, left wing elitist bigot as he is.
You need to remember something and remember it well. Those incredibly brave men and women are over there fighting so you don't have too. Lies or not, bad intelligence or not (intel BTW that the Democratic leadership saw and said was good before the invasion), they are over there fighting and defending your right to act like an ass and insult them. People like me and them are the ones who give you your freedom. I gave six years of my life doing it, my father spilled blood in Vietnam doing it and my uncle, who my mom named me after, died for it. I have friends who have "played in the sandbox" over there and I have friends who are getting ready to go over there and not one of them "misinterpreted" what was said. Everyone I talked to about these comments (and that ranges from the conservative to to the liberal) has said that what he said was wrong. So for you to sit there on your snooty little high horse and condemn all of us for what we do and who we are is what is truly amazing.
But, since I am so damned stupid, maybe this little quote will bring into perspective just exactly what it is that the members of the military do on a daily basis and just exactly what we think of people like you and John Kerry.
Son, we live in a world that has walls.
And those walls have to be guarded by men
with guns. Who's gonna do it? You? I have a greater responsibility than you can possibly
fathom. My existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves lives.
You don't want the truth. Because deep
down, in places you don't talk about at
parties, you want me on that wall. You need
me on that wall.
We use words like honor, code,
loyalty...we use these words as the
backbone to a life spent defending
something. You use 'em as a punchline.
I have neither the time nor the
inclination to explain myself to a man who
rises and sleeps under the blanket of the
very freedom I provide, then questions the
manner in which I provide it. I'd prefer
you just said thank you and went on your
way. Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a
weapon and stand a post. Either way, I
don't give a damn what you think you're
entitled to.
"Everyone I talked to about these comments (and that ranges from the conservative to to the liberal) has said that what he said was wrong."
John Kerry has admitted what he said was wrong, that he screwed up the line, and has apologized several times. The American Legion has accepted his apology.
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Yeah, he apologized. Two days and a whole lot of prodding by fellow democrats later. And in that "apology" he still continued to say that the Republicans "twisted his words". Why can't he just say he screwed up and leave it at that?Originally posted by LanDroid:
"Everyone I talked to about these comments (and that ranges from the conservative to to the liberal) has said that what he said was wrong."
John Kerry has admitted what he said was wrong, that he screwed up the line, and has apologized several times. The American Legion has accepted his apology.
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